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LADY
sweden

What materials do you use?
Spray paint, magic markers, shoe shine. I like to make dripping tags kind of an old school style.

Have you been caught

I have been arrested 3 times and had to pay fines. Recently in May, this summer, I was caught in Stockhom by the FALCK security.

How long have you been doing grafitti?

For 13 years. I am 28 years old and started when Iwas 15 years old. I have had a lot of signs but now I write MABE ­ nice letters, REAL ­ a classic, and LADY. I have a fetish for a’s and m’s and e’s.

The Method
Photographing each piece step by step is a nice way of looking back on what you have done. For me graffiti is not a hobby, although I wouldn't call it work. I wish I could just sit down in my studio and do my pieces and call it work.

You need to put blinders on and just do it. If you let go of the blinders, then you will see the whole world is opening in front of you. If I commit myself 100% each day and just walk straight I can reach that point, and maybe even support myself.

Why take pictures of your work?
All photographs are generally kept in ‘the black book.’ There is story behind each piece; circumstances surrounding how you did the piece or where you have been ­ its not just a wall it’s a happening, a memory.

What is the relationship between your art {drawing and painting} and your graffiti?
Lately{painting in the classical sense} it hasn't been happening. Im too emotionally involved in lots of other things, stagnated by other things --- really blaming other stuff.Like I said it's all about 100% not 50%.

I think back to when I was when I was 19, I had wanted to become a real artist. I did 4 years of the pre art school and I still want to get my masters in art. But I keep doing graffiti...

How long have you been drawing?I’ve been drawing since I was super small ­ it’s kind of like storytelling. I have never looked at myself as an illustrator, but when I look back at my diaries there are always pictures.

How would you define grafitti?
Expression of being somebody.

Even if you don’t want to see, you see it. If you cant be somebody in other fields, with graffiti, you can be somebody and put up your name, your work, you can freely show things to others.

It’s a real dialogue.

The dialogue between politicians and grafitti has been in the dark for a long time. For example with this exhibition I was a part of in Stockholm. There were 10 writers involved ­ almost everyone did graffiti and I did too. The politicians tried to shut it down because of the 0 tolerance.

They were not able to shut it down and it resulted in new discussions. Now politicians in Stockholm have been seeking new ways to put up legal grafitti again.

A dialogue between writers and the public, the police?
There is real need for graffiti ­ there must be a dialogue . People want to talk and express their feelings about what is happening around them. Grafitti is the result of that.

When you first did graffiti why did you do it?
I have never been into grafitti for grafitti's sake, only because of the coloring and the art. When I saw it for the first time, I saw it for the art. Graffiti for me was gaining interest in art and when I started doing it, hey it was a ‘cool’ thing to do.

When I was a kid I used to get harassed for being fat or ‘uncool’ but with graffiti I could go out and show them I was doing something. It was uplifting.

What is it about the love for letters and words?
You know when you are studying in school and you read something, you get to know the power of words in script. I think the love for letters and words may not be for everybody but there is more power in the written word at times.

Do you have a crew or work alone?
Yeh I have crew. I work alone and with a crew. My crew is CP “Cerebral Pares.“ It’s a spastic disorder.

When was the crew started?
Started in 93 when me and a friend did a piece on some wall. The coloring in the letters were like a child’s drawing, with this character whose legs were bending forward. It was this style ­ this child like kind of perspective. The letters were very big and fluffy and strange, totally different from ordinary graffiti. Some people may call us toys, but we have all been doing graffiti for a long time.

The style is inspired by Flying Circus ­ Monty Python. For a while we called our style 'circus style' as a reaction against style like Picasso. I can do a wild style, any style, but I like the simplicity.

People they used to think our style was fucked up but now our style is more the trend, its kind of funny, ironic.

Who else are you inspired by?
Old school new york writers: DONDI, SEEN, CASE2, and newer writers from Finland. Finnish grafitti is super cool, they have their own personal style.

Even though I am inspired by old school graffiti, I am still personal with my grafitti and I am always looking out for inspiration. I'm inspired by a lot of other artists like Basquiat and a lot of pop art.

On battles
Recently. we had a battle with a crew at legal walls with the NG crew,“ Norrlands Guld." It’s a Swedish beer.

Doing a battle, its like an old school thing to do ­ coming from hip hop culture amd the four elements. Each crew does a separate piece. In a battle you have to dis the other crew.

How long does each piece take?
It can take from 5 minutes to a whole day. When painting trains {doing a chrome/silver piece}, it's more like 5 minutes. It really depends on how long you believe you can stay before the cops come.

On Friendship and Grafitti
It’s great to work with others and fun to have different kinds of people and styles in your crew; you learn from them. Inside CP crew, it’s much more about friendship than grafitti. Almost everyone is into art ­ we are all fine artists and illustrators as well. It's a much more creative type relationship, we do more than just graffiti.

On law enforcement
In Stockhom, there are civilian police following you around. Here (in Goteborg) you just have to watch out for the cops. You can always finish your piece here, while with the police in Stockholm, you have to watch out for anybody.

Some writers take pictures of them, the FALCK security, but that doesn't come close to what the FALCK security does to writers. They will actually follow you from home. They take the law into their own hands ­ "catch this writer 10 points." They play a very ugly game in Sweden. They had a register of writers which is illegal. Now, they have been sued, and fired and are awaiting a trial.

At the same time, politicians decide how grafitti is going to be removed. They take away the big pieces leaving doodles, giving graffiti a bad name or they do hash marks over pieces claiming that they will come back and wash it away but they never do so the result is shit. They work against graffiti so that the community only sees the ugly aspects.

Do you mask yourself?
Sometimes. We are like modern day cowboys with these bandanas over our faces.

What happens when someone goes over your work?
If someone goes over your work, ok well its just graffiti. You can claim a wall ­ say cover it with white painting and say reserve this space.

There are too many incompetent writers that don’t understand the level of respect. It’s hard to go over a piece done by a writer (for me), so you ask permission. Newcomers don’t care and they will just go right over and that’s kind of stupid. Usually if you ask, you can either do something together or they say just go over it. But sometimes. if it’s already falling apart then you can just go over it.

What's you favorite spot
?
Its more about the environment around the tag or piece. I’m always in search of ‘quiet walls’ its a type of adventure and it's always fun to do a panel piece on the train, but its nice to pick a spot based on the final graphic result. It’s a graphic expression.

Expression based on space?
I just feel like expressing myself with a graphic even if it is just a line on a wall.

Legal walls versus Illegal Walls
I have done it legally and illegally. There is more of an adrenaline rush when you are painting an illegal wall, but I don’t think illegal versus legal, I just think work, piece, experience. But you almost get addicted to this adrenaline rush. On the other hand, the fun with artwork is that you can relax and just paint.

On stencil art
I love it. It is kind of a development from graffiti. Some people think that stencil art us is much more for them.

And space invaders ­ that’s great as well as Zeuz from France. He does outlines of shadows, this really amazing work in Germany when he cut out a piece of the advertisement {ie. cuts out space of a woman} and writes visual kidnapping.

And BANKSY­ I didn’t realize how big he was. I love when he made the stencil that said this space is reserved for graffiti. Its amazing and its working ­ the next day that space was filled with pieces.

Why are politicians against graffiti?

You know how parents see you grow and they say 'Oh that’s a phase.' Maybe they don’t recognize graffiti as a movement and think that its temporary, but its been around for years like since the Vikings or cavemen. The Vikings would just leave a piece of diary about their own life on stones.

Does it have to do with control and controlling the public?Yeh the upper eschelon want to control the community and the public. Nobody should control anybody else ­ you can’t say this is how its supposed to be or this is what you are supposed to do.

Even art school is disliked by society as a whole. It won’t bring ‘work,' it wont bring ‘money.' Art works (in the classical sense) are maybe more accepted because art has been recognized as a part of society. It's strange how they can't see grafitti is art and is a part of our history too.

Envisioning a better world
So many people sit at home and watch tv, doing nothing and they accept the world as it is. They think this is the way it has been and this is the way it is gonna be. They don’t see what it could be. They don’t see what they can do. They are cynical, they dispair and they don’t do anything about it. They sit there and complan. It leads to bad things.

Instead of doing something in this moment, you can let it hold you back. Its right in front of you and you don’t do anything about it.

I would like to stop the expansion of humankind in some respects. Instead of trying to make the world our own and taking up every possible space, I'd like to see ourselves as accepting humankind as part of the life cycle ­ we are not the end of evolution­ we are not the highest terrestrial.

Mankind has been thinking outside the life cycle since the revolutions of the farmers. In the middle east and the expansion ­ conquering the land by growing it and killing every living animal in their way just to have their own growth ­ they {we} have gone outside the law of the big picture. They break these laws and the sentence for that is death. Maybe we are heading that way.

Public space used by the public
Only these corporations have the money to buy the space to force people to see what they want ­ taking their mind space. Why not let the public express what they have to say for free? Except it’s actually the community who pays taxes to take graffiti away. They shouldn’t have to pay for taking away public expression.

Who are you trying to reach
Well art is egoism ­ sometimes I’m just trying to reach myself. You see your piece everyday, you see yourself. It’s an affirmation, I think it used to be more of a statement.

Its not a statement now?
No its more about the self and I don’t like it at all. You turn into what the social environment has provided. Like the saying 'you act like the person your with,' like peer pressure maybe.

Today do you think grafitti has anything to do with the history of political propoganda or even commercials?
Yeh you are always being perpetrating by media. Maybe that’s why graffiti has grown the way it has ­ it’s a media society. But I hate the media really.

But you are part of it
Yeh but I’m on the other side.

EMMI
finland

When you first did graffiti why did you do it?
To see what it’s like.

How long have you been doing graffiti?

A couple of years, although first attempt was over 10 years ago.

What materials do you use?
Plastic gloves, paint, board

Do you have a particular method?
I do stencil art.

What is graffiti to you?

Voicing opinion, beauty.

Do you have a message you are trying to convey?
Yes, each piece is different. Political and social commentary.

Is there a particular audience you are trying to reach?
As wide an audience as possible.

Do have a style?

1-2 color stencils.

Who are you inspired by?

My sister, and banksy.

Do you mask yourself?
No.

Have you ever been caught by the local authority?
Yes.

How do feel about legal vs illegal walls?
So
me buildings should stay untouched, they are art themselves. Otherwise I don’t really care f it's legal or not.

Why do you think authorities are against graffiti?
Sure they have their reasons. But I also think that if it wouldn’t be illegal, there would be a lot less painters.

Do you have a crew or do you work alone?
Alone or with ‘security’.

What happens when someone goes over your work?

Makes me angry if it’s shit. Usually it’s someone who doesn’t agree with my opinion and voices theirs on top of mine. In a way I like the action I have provoked.

Where do you like to get up? Any particular location?

Walls in right places where the message has meaning.

Do you think fashion influences grafitti?
Everyone has their own influences

Do you think it has anything to do with the history of political propaganda?
With the history of propaganda yes, definitely. That’s what it is.

Commercials?

Well, some graffiti is commercial, paid for by corporations. Sad but true.

What do you think about public space being used by the public?
I think it’s good to be active.